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		<title>By: Philip Suggars</title>
		<link>http://bureauista.com/blog/2009/04/living-with-depression-2/comment-page-1/#comment-518</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip Suggars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 11:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always come to these entries late. But I did want to weigh in on this, just briefly. I can&#039;t speak to depression, because I&#039;m lucky enough not have been dealt that card. I think we might have chatted about this, but the person I live with does suffer from clinical depression, though she hasn&#039;t had an episode for a number of years. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Somewhat like yourself, she&#039;s come to the conclusion, perhaps subconsciously, that for her happiness isn&#039;t a right, but something that she works at. Consequently, she&#039;s developed coping mechanisms that allow her to take get that fucking dog to go chasing after a stick instead of sitting on her chest, licking her face. She&#039;s pro-medication, but also she exercises - a lot - as this seems to really help. Her notion that happiness is process and her ability to do all of this and remain sanguine about it is one of the things that I love and admire about her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always come to these entries late. But I did want to weigh in on this, just briefly. I can&#8217;t speak to depression, because I&#8217;m lucky enough not have been dealt that card. I think we might have chatted about this, but the person I live with does suffer from clinical depression, though she hasn&#8217;t had an episode for a number of years. </p>
<p>Somewhat like yourself, she&#8217;s come to the conclusion, perhaps subconsciously, that for her happiness isn&#8217;t a right, but something that she works at. Consequently, she&#8217;s developed coping mechanisms that allow her to take get that fucking dog to go chasing after a stick instead of sitting on her chest, licking her face. She&#8217;s pro-medication, but also she exercises &#8211; a lot &#8211; as this seems to really help. Her notion that happiness is process and her ability to do all of this and remain sanguine about it is one of the things that I love and admire about her.</p>
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		<title>By: Kel D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kel D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 06:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Derren Brown book was Tricks of the Mind and it is a throwaway comment, I think in the middle of a discussion about people not thinking scientifically...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think he is talking about vitamin pills against colds?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is a great book and I recommend it but that epiphany moment is buried under stuff about improving memory, magic, Derren&#039;s late adolescence and a discussion about why the London Aquarium has Braille signs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Derren Brown book was Tricks of the Mind and it is a throwaway comment, I think in the middle of a discussion about people not thinking scientifically&#8230;</p>
<p>I think he is talking about vitamin pills against colds?</p>
<p>It is a great book and I recommend it but that epiphany moment is buried under stuff about improving memory, magic, Derren&#8217;s late adolescence and a discussion about why the London Aquarium has Braille signs.</p>
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		<title>By: The Bureauista</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Bureauista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 23:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh - a post-depression post? Sending you an &#039;x&#039; through the blizzard of zeroes and ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh &#8211; a post-depression post? Sending you an &#8216;x&#8217; through the blizzard of zeroes and ones.</p>
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		<title>By: jp</title>
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		<dc:creator>jp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LC -- My experience of depression doesn&#039;t seem to have much to do with &quot;too much pressure to consume stuff&quot;, in fact it has very little relation to the outside world at all, in fact that&#039;s part of the problem - it&#039;s just a grey fog that descends over the world and muffles everything. Your description sounds like frustrated desire to achieve &quot;more happiness&quot;, but my depression has tended to be characterised by a complete absence of any kind of desire at all.  In many ways, for me, depression doesn&#039;t even relate very much to happiness - it just makes life feel like a swamp that has to be waded through with enormous effort, and simultaneously robs you of the ability or desire to make that effort.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think that &quot;depression&quot; is probably a word that covers a wide and disparate collection of symptoms that are only all bundled together under one word because we don&#039;t currently understand enough about them. Anyway - thank you Kirsten, you&#039;re one of the bravest people I know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LC &#8212; My experience of depression doesn&#8217;t seem to have much to do with &#8220;too much pressure to consume stuff&#8221;, in fact it has very little relation to the outside world at all, in fact that&#8217;s part of the problem &#8211; it&#8217;s just a grey fog that descends over the world and muffles everything. Your description sounds like frustrated desire to achieve &#8220;more happiness&#8221;, but my depression has tended to be characterised by a complete absence of any kind of desire at all.  In many ways, for me, depression doesn&#8217;t even relate very much to happiness &#8211; it just makes life feel like a swamp that has to be waded through with enormous effort, and simultaneously robs you of the ability or desire to make that effort.</p>
<p>I think that &#8220;depression&#8221; is probably a word that covers a wide and disparate collection of symptoms that are only all bundled together under one word because we don&#8217;t currently understand enough about them. Anyway &#8211; thank you Kirsten, you&#8217;re one of the bravest people I know.</p>
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		<title>By: The Bureauista</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Bureauista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 22:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kel: Which Derren Brown book is this? Sounds interesting. Funny how much my mood switches in a day. This morning I was watching my mother walk up the road outside my house and I burst into tears because I suddenly saw how much she has started to resemble her own mother (as in, she is an old lady now, rather than just &#039;mum&#039;). Put me in a very sombre mood for most of the day, and then some very sweet things happened and now I feel almost daft for being sad in the first place. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Valerie: I think/hope you are right. Guess only time will tell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kel: Which Derren Brown book is this? Sounds interesting. Funny how much my mood switches in a day. This morning I was watching my mother walk up the road outside my house and I burst into tears because I suddenly saw how much she has started to resemble her own mother (as in, she is an old lady now, rather than just &#8216;mum&#8217;). Put me in a very sombre mood for most of the day, and then some very sweet things happened and now I feel almost daft for being sad in the first place. </p>
<p>Valerie: I think/hope you are right. Guess only time will tell.</p>
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		<title>By: Valerie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valerie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 20:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that&#039;s part of what I&#039;m talking about.  When I first got this ill I had a terror of falling asleep because of fear I&#039;d suffocate in my sleep, and couldn&#039;t figure out how I could sleep when I couldn&#039;t breathe through my nose.  Three months into the peak of this infection (it&#039;s been 1.5 years now), I have gotten to some degree past the panic attacks (though I do sleep either sitting up or with four pillows), and I&#039;ve learned to breathe through my mouth without panicking.  Which is useful if I am every well enough to return to snorkeling ;-)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So I guess my point is that I learned to deal with things better than I thought I could. They don&#039;t go away, but my ability to deal with them has changed.  It sounds to me like you&#039;re saying the same thing about yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that&#8217;s part of what I&#8217;m talking about.  When I first got this ill I had a terror of falling asleep because of fear I&#8217;d suffocate in my sleep, and couldn&#8217;t figure out how I could sleep when I couldn&#8217;t breathe through my nose.  Three months into the peak of this infection (it&#8217;s been 1.5 years now), I have gotten to some degree past the panic attacks (though I do sleep either sitting up or with four pillows), and I&#8217;ve learned to breathe through my mouth without panicking.  Which is useful if I am every well enough to return to snorkeling <img src='http://bureauista.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>So I guess my point is that I learned to deal with things better than I thought I could. They don&#8217;t go away, but my ability to deal with them has changed.  It sounds to me like you&#8217;re saying the same thing about yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Kel D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kel D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 19:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of cognitive behavioural therapy seems to concentrate on stopping people saying &quot;should&quot;&lt;br /&gt;As in &quot;I should be happy&quot;, &quot;she should have&quot;, &quot;this should&quot;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A turning point for me was reading Derren Brown&#039;s book where he is talking about sickness and he comments that wellness is not our natural state. Sometimes we are sick, sometimes we are well. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Though, that said, depression is rubbish and I hope it lessens in your life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of cognitive behavioural therapy seems to concentrate on stopping people saying &#8220;should&#8221;<br />As in &#8220;I should be happy&#8221;, &#8220;she should have&#8221;, &#8220;this should&#8221;.</p>
<p>A turning point for me was reading Derren Brown&#8217;s book where he is talking about sickness and he comments that wellness is not our natural state. Sometimes we are sick, sometimes we are well. </p>
<p>Though, that said, depression is rubbish and I hope it lessens in your life.</p>
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		<title>By: The Bureauista</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Bureauista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 19:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HSU: You&#039;re just too damn happy to keep up with sometimes :) But yeah, I&#039;ve been throwing a lot of my frustrations into skating and it really works. Today I should be skating right now, but I can&#039;t because I&#039;m revising - perhaps that&#039;s the root cause of my original post!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Valerie: I admire you, I really do. I know you have sinus problems some of the time, and when I can&#039;t breathe properly I honestly think I&#039;m going to go insane - can&#039;t sleep without nasty decongestant sprays, can&#039;t lie down for fear that I&#039;m going to suffocate. I guess you must have powerful methods of keeping yourself going under such circumstances.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Anonymous: I think in the UK targets and lack of time have castrated doctors (malpractice suits less scary over here because of strong public policy against defensive practice). I&#039;ve noticed over the years that doctors tend to hand over pills and then send the patient away with the expectation that the pills will &#039;cure&#039; them. They don&#039;t mention that pills might not completely cure the problem, or that they have side effects of their own. Patients have to find this out themselves, rather than being prepped for it. We need to get better at giving bad news and dealing with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HSU: You&#8217;re just too damn happy to keep up with sometimes <img src='http://bureauista.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  But yeah, I&#8217;ve been throwing a lot of my frustrations into skating and it really works. Today I should be skating right now, but I can&#8217;t because I&#8217;m revising &#8211; perhaps that&#8217;s the root cause of my original post!</p>
<p>Valerie: I admire you, I really do. I know you have sinus problems some of the time, and when I can&#8217;t breathe properly I honestly think I&#8217;m going to go insane &#8211; can&#8217;t sleep without nasty decongestant sprays, can&#8217;t lie down for fear that I&#8217;m going to suffocate. I guess you must have powerful methods of keeping yourself going under such circumstances.</p>
<p>Anonymous: I think in the UK targets and lack of time have castrated doctors (malpractice suits less scary over here because of strong public policy against defensive practice). I&#8217;ve noticed over the years that doctors tend to hand over pills and then send the patient away with the expectation that the pills will &#8216;cure&#8217; them. They don&#8217;t mention that pills might not completely cure the problem, or that they have side effects of their own. Patients have to find this out themselves, rather than being prepped for it. We need to get better at giving bad news and dealing with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 18:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Refreshingly honest post.  I look forward to these but I&#039;m stuck on this question: &quot;Is this sense of entitlement robbing us of the chance to live well despite our defects?&quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think so.  Malpractice suits in the US have castrated doctors. People expect cures that don&#039;t leave scars, come in a bottle, and have immediate results.  We hide our own problems so well but for whatever reason don&#039;t recognize that others do the same and expect their standard of &quot;health and normalcy.&quot; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On the other end I wonder about the new defects.  Are they new and why?  The panic attacks, peanut allergies, online addictions...sometimes it feels like the number of possible ailments is so great in order to dissuade us from caring about one lest we care about them all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Refreshingly honest post.  I look forward to these but I&#8217;m stuck on this question: &#8220;Is this sense of entitlement robbing us of the chance to live well despite our defects?&#8221;</p>
<p>I think so.  Malpractice suits in the US have castrated doctors. People expect cures that don&#8217;t leave scars, come in a bottle, and have immediate results.  We hide our own problems so well but for whatever reason don&#8217;t recognize that others do the same and expect their standard of &#8220;health and normalcy.&#8221; </p>
<p>On the other end I wonder about the new defects.  Are they new and why?  The panic attacks, peanut allergies, online addictions&#8230;sometimes it feels like the number of possible ailments is so great in order to dissuade us from caring about one lest we care about them all.</p>
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		<title>By: Valerie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valerie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes you make a measure of peace with the black dog by letting him sleep just outside your bedroom door.  He&#039;s not on your bed choking you to death, and you can&#039;t banish him, but you know where he is and just how much power he can or can&#039;t have in your life.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&#039;ve had poor health my whole life, and have struggled with my attitude about it, ranging from despair to denial.  At the moment I&#039;ve got some sense of balance, probably for similar reasons to those you suggest to your mom -- I&#039;ve found a mental space where I recognize that I&#039;m dealing with some misery right now, but that not every moment is misery, and that I can enjoy some of my time.  And though it&#039;s not what I want, it&#039;s enough to keep me from the abyss. For now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes you make a measure of peace with the black dog by letting him sleep just outside your bedroom door.  He&#8217;s not on your bed choking you to death, and you can&#8217;t banish him, but you know where he is and just how much power he can or can&#8217;t have in your life.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had poor health my whole life, and have struggled with my attitude about it, ranging from despair to denial.  At the moment I&#8217;ve got some sense of balance, probably for similar reasons to those you suggest to your mom &#8212; I&#8217;ve found a mental space where I recognize that I&#8217;m dealing with some misery right now, but that not every moment is misery, and that I can enjoy some of my time.  And though it&#8217;s not what I want, it&#8217;s enough to keep me from the abyss. For now.</p>
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